# How to Enter & Calculate Rolling-Out-And-Down Cash-Secured Put Trades: A Real-Life Example with Invesco QQQ Trust (Nasdaq: QQQ)

When selling out-of-the-money (OTM) cash-secured puts, we calculate our initial time-value returns with this formula:

When incorporating exit strategies into our strategy, we must properly enter these adjustments into our spreadsheets such that the calculations will be accurate and properly archived.

What is rolling-out a cash-secured put?

This is where we buy back the short put as expiration is approaching and immediately sell the same strike put option in the next contract cycle. We, typically, roll-out an in-the-money (ITM) strike.

What is rolling-out-and-down an OTM strike?

This is where we roll an OTM cash-secured put to a lower strike in the next contract cycle. This is a tactic we rarely take but it was one shared with me by a BCI member and I felt it would have educational value regarding how to enter and calculate such trades.

Rolling-out-and-down with QQQ

• 7/11/2022: QQQ trading at \$290.00
• 7/11/2022: STO 1 x 7/13/2022 \$283.00 OTM put at \$1.22 (3-day trade)
• 7/13/2022: QQQ trading at \$285.00
• 7/13/2022: BTC the (still OTM) \$283.00 put at \$1.50
• 7/13/2022: STO 1 x \$280.00 7/15/2022 OTM put at \$2.32 (rolled-out-and-down- another 3-day trade)

How do we enter and calculate these trades using the BCI Trade Management Calculator?

QQQ: Rolling-Out-And-Down Entries & Calculations

On the screenshot (top-to-bottom):

2. On 7/13, when rolling out-and-down, exit the put with an initial and final return of 0.43%, 52.68% annualized based on a 3-day trade.
3. The adjustment section for the initial trade only shows the date of closure and the current value of QQQ. Yes, the put is still OTM, but we can use the ITM exit strategy from the dropdown since we usually do not roll-out an OTM strike. A note to this effect can be entered in the Trade Management Journal on the far right (example: “Rolled-out an OTM put”).
4. The final return for the 1st trade is the same as the initial return as the trade was originally structured.
5. The rolling-out aspect of the trade is entered as a separate trade either on the same spreadsheet or a new one dedicated to the new expiration date (this is how I do it). This is shown as the 2nd trade at the top of the screenshot.
6. Note that the put premium for the rolled-out trade is the net credit from closing the 1st trade and opening the 2nd (\$2.32 – \$1.50 = \$0.82).

7. The initial returns of the rolled-out put trade are 0.29%, 35.74% annualized based on a 3-day trade and a purchase discount of 2.04%, if exercised.

Discussion

Since this series of trades has 2 different expiration dates, the best way to enter, calculate and archive the trades is to finalize the first trade with the initial and final calculations being the same and entering the 2nd expiration put trade on a different line or spreadsheet using current market value and the net option credit as the premium.

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### 14 Responses to “How to Enter & Calculate Rolling-Out-And-Down Cash-Secured Put Trades: A Real-Life Example with Invesco QQQ Trust (Nasdaq: QQQ)”

1. Barry B January 7, 2023 10:56 pm
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This week’s Weekly Stock Screen And Watch List has been uploaded to The Blue Collar Investor Premium Member site and is available for download in the “Reports” section. Look for the report dated 01/06/23.

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2. JP January 8, 2023 7:39 am
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Alan,

Hope all is well.

Are you leaning more to ATM or ITM Calls or Cash Secured Puts now?

Best,

JP

• Alan Ellman January 8, 2023 8:42 am
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JP,

My current portfolios lean bullish, favoring OTM call strikes 2-to-1 over ITM strikes.

For premium members, I publish my planned strike ratios the weekend prior to the start of all monthly contracts in our Premium Member Weekly Stock Screen and Watch List. It is located in the market tone section on page 1 of the report between the 2 charts as shown in the screenshot below (12-16-2022 report).

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3. Bruce January 9, 2023 11:00 am
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Hi Alan,

It was great meeting you and your team in Orlando!

Based upon my recent performance with covered calls and cash secured puts over the last year, I would like to ramp up the number of trades per month; I am sure that this is scalable using your strategies.

The question I have is does it make sense to place a trade with less than an average of 30 days/expiry. Obviously I want to make certain that the position meets your selection criteria such as expected ROO %, earnings avoidance, minimum open interest and bid/ask spread <= \$.30.

Should I consider a mid-month trade if all the criteria is met or should I stick with the 30 days/expiry and use weekly’s when necessary.

Thanks again for everything that you and your team do!

Regards,

Bruce

• Alan Ellman January 10, 2023 6:37 am
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Bruce,

Yes, weekly options are a viable alternative to monthly expirations.

Although I prefer monthly expirations, I do have several of my option portfolios dedicated to weekly expirations. One example is our 10-Delta weekly put strategy as I archived in this article:

By the way, since publication of this article, we developed the Trade Management Calculator which is now my go-to spreadsheet for both covered call writing and selling cash-secured puts. When I use multiple expirations, I dedicate 1 spreadsheet per expiration, but this process can be managed however the user feels comfortable.

Bottom line: Our portfolios can consist of multiple contract expiration cycles as long as we organize these trades in a manner that is practical and user friendly.

I hope to see you again at one of my future live events.

Alan

4. Barry January 11, 2023 1:23 am
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Hello Alan.

What do you think of the following approach? Buying stocks with relatively high Betas and selling calls at the first 2 in the money strikes dividing them equally.

I have noticed this will generally get about 2-4% monthly.

Of course it is even more imperative that exit strategies be done properly in this volatile environment.

As always thank you.
Barry

• Alan Ellman January 11, 2023 7:32 am
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Barry,

Let’s assume that we made a decision to take a defensive posture with our covered call trades and use only ITM strikes. Let’s also assume an initial time-value return goal range of 2% – 4% per month.

The next question is whether we should limit our security selection based on beta. I understand your thought process but would prefer to focus in on quality of the underlying stock or ETF.

Now, since you are a premium member and have access to our reports, all the securities meet our standards, so you are good to go if selecting only from these lists.

If your idea is to use the beta stats in our stock reports to locate securities more likely to return that 2% – 4% monthly range, that makes sense. However, we must not forget about our diversification requirement. For example, if internet stocks are having a strong month and all have high betas, we would not want a portfolio dominated by internet securities.

Bottom line: Select the high-quality securities that will result in a diversified portfolio and use the option-chains to determine if ITM strikes meet the stated initial time-value return goal range. It is okay to use multiple ITM strikes that fall into that range.

Keep up the good work.

Alan

• Barry January 11, 2023 10:45 am
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Alan,

Thanks so much Alan. By the way. I am referring only to stocks on your list.

Barry

5. Bruce January 11, 2023 11:24 am
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Alan, thank you for the quick response.

I do have another quick question and I am quite sure I know the answer: I was considering a covered call on an expensive underling (AVGO at \$568). This would require a capital investment of \$56K. The return looks excellent; however, am I putting too many eggs in one basket? Would this be considered too risky and similar to selecting multiple underlying’s in the same industry segment?

Just wanted to get your opinion.

Thanks Again,

Bruce

• Alan Ellman January 12, 2023 6:28 am
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Bruce,

Good point regarding diversification and cash allocation.

Let me give you 2 examples; 1 where this would be appropriate and 1 where it is not:

1. We have a portfolio with \$75k cash available. dedicating \$56k to 1 position means that 75% of the portfolio is dominated by AVGO and therefore way too risky.

2. We have a portfolio with \$1 million cash available (making a point). This would allow the investor to select about 20 different securities allocating about \$50k per position. In this case, we can absolutely consider AVGO.

Bottom line: In addition to meeting our screening requirements of fundamental and technical analysis, our stock selection process must also include the common-sense principles of diversification and cash allocation.

Alan

• Bruce January 12, 2023 11:06 am
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Thanks again Alan.

Looking forward to your Wealth 365 presentation next Tuesday.

-Bruce

6. Alan Ellman January 11, 2023 5:17 pm
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7. Paul January 12, 2023 12:08 pm
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Hello Alan.

Happy new year!

Is using a trailing stop a viable exit strategy for a cash-secured put when a trade starts out strong but then turns against me? If you think so, how might you structure it?

Thanks,
Paul

• Alan Ellman January 12, 2023 4:56 pm
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Paul,

The BCI guideline as when to close the short put, is the 3% guideline. This relates to monthly puts with target initial time-value return goal ranges of 2% – 4%. It states to buy back the short put when share value declines 3% or more below the put strike.

This guideline can be crafted to other time frames and return goal ranges by closing at the breakeven price points.

Let’s say we sold the \$50.00 put for \$1.50. We BTC at \$48.50 or lower. We must watch the stock price. If the brokerage offers an alert service where notification will be given when prices reach our stated thresholds, that will automate the process. Otherwise, we must check our portfolios periodically.

Alan